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Thursday, February 23, 2017
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Saturday, February 18, 2017
Questions For David Friedman
Fictional Economics: A Request for Aid by David Friedman
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Xero: We, The People by Jack C. Haldeman II is a short sci-fi story about people choosing where their taxes go. It was written in the 80s. The economic idea that it demonstrates and gets right is the value of actually knowing the demand for public goods. Or... the value of knowing how many other people are in the same boat as you.
Coincidentally, the other day I wondered what would have happened if Adam Smith had collaborated on a book with the best fiction writer of his time. My conclusion after copious amounts of research (5 mins) was that Daniel Defoe was born too early and Edgar Allan Poe was born too late.
I was thinking about it because just recently a list of books for kids was ordered by the Invisible Hand. As far as I know it's the first and only list in the world that's ordered by the Invisible Hand. Which boggles my mind given that Smith published his book when America was founded. I guessed that writing well and understanding economics are mutual exclusive. And by "writing well" I mean that it doesn't take over 200 years for your concept to be obviously applied. Brains that are well-suited for understanding can't also be well-suited for articulating... and vice versa.
Friedman: Xerographica:
Some years back, the American Economic Review published a clever article by a very smart economist. It was reinventing an idea that appeared in Ricardo's Principles,--in a less plausible and much less important context than Ricardo's version. I sent the Journal a brief note pointing out the fact.
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Ng_Ricardo/Ng_Ricardo.html
Xero: David Friedman, that gold/scarcity government revenue concept is blowing my mind. Imagine you went on Reddit and created a subreddit for Ricardo's "Principles of Political Economy". Members of that sub could submit passages from that book and vote them up or down. Then the most popular passages would be at the top. The passages in the book would be ordered by the Democratic Hand. As opposed to? As opposed to the passages in the book being ordered by the Invisible Hand. Out of sight, out of mind... no more?
Here's something else that's blowing my mind. Let's say that the DebatePolitics Forum started charging members $1 dollar/month. But... members could elect one person to decide how to divvy up all the fees among the different threads/topics. Pretty much like how our government works. Except, unhappy members could so easily foot vote for other websites. If there was a mass exodus, what would this say about the social contract?
It's bizarre that economists generally don't use community websites to test economic systems. I've failed to convince a dozen forums to implement our government's system.
One last thing... according to most economists... the free-rider problem is a bad thing while consumers surplus is a good thing. I derive value from reading your blog but I've never made a donation. My valuation is greater than my payment. My payment is suboptimal so your incentives are suboptimal so the supply of your blog entries will be suboptimal. But if it would be optimal for my payment to equal my valuation, then how could consumer surplus be a good thing? So it should really be called the consumer surplus problem... and it's a continuum that ranges from the payment being (valuation - $.01) to $.00 cents.
One last last thing. Ever heard of spending money being referred to as nonverbal communication? For some reason this dawned on me for the first time last week. Why didn't it dawn on me before? Spending money is communication... and it's definitely not verbal communication... which leaves nonverbal communication. Who typically studies nonverbal communication? Sociologists? Except, they "can't" study spending money because that's the domain of economists.
With economics spending money is about maximizing benefit. But with communication the issue is accuracy. How accurately are my words conveying my info? Consumer surplus might immediately maximize your benefit, but what you're communicating isn't accurate. If you deceive (misinform) producers then you're going to derive less benefit from their behavior.
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Xero: We, The People by Jack C. Haldeman II is a short sci-fi story about people choosing where their taxes go. It was written in the 80s. The economic idea that it demonstrates and gets right is the value of actually knowing the demand for public goods. Or... the value of knowing how many other people are in the same boat as you.
Coincidentally, the other day I wondered what would have happened if Adam Smith had collaborated on a book with the best fiction writer of his time. My conclusion after copious amounts of research (5 mins) was that Daniel Defoe was born too early and Edgar Allan Poe was born too late.
I was thinking about it because just recently a list of books for kids was ordered by the Invisible Hand. As far as I know it's the first and only list in the world that's ordered by the Invisible Hand. Which boggles my mind given that Smith published his book when America was founded. I guessed that writing well and understanding economics are mutual exclusive. And by "writing well" I mean that it doesn't take over 200 years for your concept to be obviously applied. Brains that are well-suited for understanding can't also be well-suited for articulating... and vice versa.
Friedman: Xerographica:
Some years back, the American Economic Review published a clever article by a very smart economist. It was reinventing an idea that appeared in Ricardo's Principles,--in a less plausible and much less important context than Ricardo's version. I sent the Journal a brief note pointing out the fact.
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Ng_Ricardo/Ng_Ricardo.html
Xero: David Friedman, that gold/scarcity government revenue concept is blowing my mind. Imagine you went on Reddit and created a subreddit for Ricardo's "Principles of Political Economy". Members of that sub could submit passages from that book and vote them up or down. Then the most popular passages would be at the top. The passages in the book would be ordered by the Democratic Hand. As opposed to? As opposed to the passages in the book being ordered by the Invisible Hand. Out of sight, out of mind... no more?
Here's something else that's blowing my mind. Let's say that the DebatePolitics Forum started charging members $1 dollar/month. But... members could elect one person to decide how to divvy up all the fees among the different threads/topics. Pretty much like how our government works. Except, unhappy members could so easily foot vote for other websites. If there was a mass exodus, what would this say about the social contract?
It's bizarre that economists generally don't use community websites to test economic systems. I've failed to convince a dozen forums to implement our government's system.
One last thing... according to most economists... the free-rider problem is a bad thing while consumers surplus is a good thing. I derive value from reading your blog but I've never made a donation. My valuation is greater than my payment. My payment is suboptimal so your incentives are suboptimal so the supply of your blog entries will be suboptimal. But if it would be optimal for my payment to equal my valuation, then how could consumer surplus be a good thing? So it should really be called the consumer surplus problem... and it's a continuum that ranges from the payment being (valuation - $.01) to $.00 cents.
One last last thing. Ever heard of spending money being referred to as nonverbal communication? For some reason this dawned on me for the first time last week. Why didn't it dawn on me before? Spending money is communication... and it's definitely not verbal communication... which leaves nonverbal communication. Who typically studies nonverbal communication? Sociologists? Except, they "can't" study spending money because that's the domain of economists.
With economics spending money is about maximizing benefit. But with communication the issue is accuracy. How accurately are my words conveying my info? Consumer surplus might immediately maximize your benefit, but what you're communicating isn't accurate. If you deceive (misinform) producers then you're going to derive less benefit from their behavior.
Thursday, February 16, 2017
Bryan Caplan and Foot Voting
Over on Medium I just finished writing something about foot voting. It got me thinking about the economist Bryan Caplan. He's collaborating with Zach Weinersmith on a graphic novel about immigration. How cool is that? It's crazy cool.
Here's a thought for Bryan Caplan and anybody else who happens to read this.
Lately I've been writing a few things over at Medium. Medium is packed with interesting and thoughtful people and it's really easy to interact with them. Let's imagine that Medium implemented some terrible policy. Then what? For sure people would complain... and if that didn't work then they'd simply leave. They'd foot vote for other websites... like WriterBeat. It would be the epitome of brain drain.
Foot voting for a different website is sure easier than foot voting for a different country. This might sound like a painfully obvious fact with little significance or value. But if you really think about it... then it should super amaze you that economists don't frequently use websites to safely test different economic systems.
We should all be amazed that Bryan Caplan isn't collaborating with Evan Williams to test our current system of government.
Think about how relatively easy it would be to test our current system. Members of Medium would each pay $1 dollar a month and they'd have the opportunity to elect one person to decide which stories to spend everybody's fees on. My guess is that the members would be very unhappy with how their representative was spending their fees. But rather than waiting around for a few years to elect a new representative, they'd simply foot vote for another website. Because... it would be super easy to do so. What would this mass exodus say about our current system of government?
God I'd love to see Caplan trying to pitch this economic experiment to Williams. How would Williams respond? "Our current system of government is good for determining the supply of important things... but it would be terrible for determining the supply of stories."
As far as I know, there isn't a single website that's based on our current system of government. Does that say something about our current system of government? Or... are people simply missing the opportunity to have an awesome website? Or... do different economic rules apply to websites?
In a story on Medium I mentioned that Alex Tabarrok is collaborating with the founders of LBRY. As far as I know, he didn't recommend that the founders base their website on our government's current system. That's not a surprise. So I really didn't even think about it. But now that I am thinking about it... I gotta admit that it's disappointing!
Wouldn't you love to see a website that's based on our current system of government? The key difference with the website is that it would be so very easy for the members to leave. This difference would be so delicious.
Of course I'm assuming that people would leave... in droves. But if they didn't? Well... if, rather than suffering brain drain, the website experiences brain gain... then not only would this be evidence in support of our current system of government... it would also demonstrate a great new system for websites to use.
Illustrating our beliefs is wonderful. Testing our beliefs is even better!
Here's a thought for Bryan Caplan and anybody else who happens to read this.
Lately I've been writing a few things over at Medium. Medium is packed with interesting and thoughtful people and it's really easy to interact with them. Let's imagine that Medium implemented some terrible policy. Then what? For sure people would complain... and if that didn't work then they'd simply leave. They'd foot vote for other websites... like WriterBeat. It would be the epitome of brain drain.
Foot voting for a different website is sure easier than foot voting for a different country. This might sound like a painfully obvious fact with little significance or value. But if you really think about it... then it should super amaze you that economists don't frequently use websites to safely test different economic systems.
We should all be amazed that Bryan Caplan isn't collaborating with Evan Williams to test our current system of government.
Think about how relatively easy it would be to test our current system. Members of Medium would each pay $1 dollar a month and they'd have the opportunity to elect one person to decide which stories to spend everybody's fees on. My guess is that the members would be very unhappy with how their representative was spending their fees. But rather than waiting around for a few years to elect a new representative, they'd simply foot vote for another website. Because... it would be super easy to do so. What would this mass exodus say about our current system of government?
God I'd love to see Caplan trying to pitch this economic experiment to Williams. How would Williams respond? "Our current system of government is good for determining the supply of important things... but it would be terrible for determining the supply of stories."
As far as I know, there isn't a single website that's based on our current system of government. Does that say something about our current system of government? Or... are people simply missing the opportunity to have an awesome website? Or... do different economic rules apply to websites?
In a story on Medium I mentioned that Alex Tabarrok is collaborating with the founders of LBRY. As far as I know, he didn't recommend that the founders base their website on our government's current system. That's not a surprise. So I really didn't even think about it. But now that I am thinking about it... I gotta admit that it's disappointing!
Wouldn't you love to see a website that's based on our current system of government? The key difference with the website is that it would be so very easy for the members to leave. This difference would be so delicious.
Of course I'm assuming that people would leave... in droves. But if they didn't? Well... if, rather than suffering brain drain, the website experiences brain gain... then not only would this be evidence in support of our current system of government... it would also demonstrate a great new system for websites to use.
Illustrating our beliefs is wonderful. Testing our beliefs is even better!
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